Post by Frostpatch on Feb 24, 2024 3:45:17 GMT
Leonard has already made a guide on managing ShadowClan aggression, which can be found here. However, I decided to look through the debug file and find out exactly how much each action impacts the war ending, by looking at the war progression variable. Increasing the war progression increases the chances of the war occurring, and decreasing the war progression decreases it. Here's a quick list of what values lead to which ending.
(x is the war progression variable. I'm just using it to show the ranges)
- Peace ending: x<10
- Rebel patrol attacks: 10≤x<60
- Normal War: 60≤x<120
- All out war: 120≤x<160
- Worst ending: x≥160
On day 4, the war progression should start at 0 if you haven't already crossed the border, or stolen herbs. I will try to list each action in order of when you would normally do it, along with exactly how much it increases or decreases the war progression. I also separated the things that increase aggression from the things that decrease aggression for each day.
Day 4:
Not dealing with Mousepaw at all: +10
Confirming that a ThunderClan cat killed Spidershade: +25
Saying that Ravenwing did not find Spidershade's body: +5
Saying that ThunderClan was attacked by a fox recently: +10
Told Mousepaw that a Clanmate wanted to apologize: +10
ShadowClan border marks <7: +20
(Thrushfeather will scold you, and clan rep decreases by -2)
ShadowClan border marks are ≥7, but <15: +10
Border marks ≥15: 0
(Thrushfeather still scolds you, but clan rep increases by 2)
Telling Thrushfeather about Pebbleskip showing up at the border: +30
(Going to the hawks meeting and converting Kestrelpaw does affect things, but I don't know the specific numbers. I will add those in later when I find out. Leonard's guide also includes those)
Confirming that Ravenwing found Spidershade's body: -5
Denying that ThunderClan was attacked by a fox recently: -5
Peace message passed, and neither Thrushfeather or Mousepaw know about the quest: -30
(Mousepaw wasn't told that a clanmate wanted to apologize)
Peace message passed, but either Thrushfeather or Mousepaw know about the quest: -10
Day 5:
Nutkit is in ShadowClan: -15
(sending her to ShadowClan when you find her, and doing the kitnapping quest decreases it by the same amount)
Both the player and Kestrelpaw attend the Dove meeting: -10
Nutkit is missing from ShadowClan when the day ends: +15
Day 6:
ShadowClan's aggression automatically increases by a lot at the start of the day, but that changes depending on what border patrol you are chosen for, which depends on your Dove/Hawk affiliation, which is positive when you are more hawk leaning.
Dove/Hawk variable is <2 (WindClan border): +45
Dove/Hawk variable is ≥2 (ShadowClan border): +50
If you are a hawk, and are on the ShadowClan border patrol {
Previously told Mousepaw that a Clanmate wanted to apologize: +20
(This also caused the battle at bushy hill to happen)
Losing the battle at bushy hill: +10
}
WindClan border marks are <5 (also applies to day 7): +10
Picking up the feather from ShadowClan border: +5
(if you only do it from the stepping stones, crossing the stepping stones is an extra +40)
Spy not found out, or kept a secret: +25
Blackheart not convinced to give herbs to ShadowClan: +10
Crossing ShadowClan border with Kestrelpaw: +25
Edit: (As of version 1.04e) The Toadtail interaction has a bug where instead of increasing the war progression by a certain amount, it sets the war progression to those values instead. This what the interaction is intended to do:
Helping Duskpaw fight Toadtail: +20
Letting Duskpaw fight Toadtail: +10
Stopping Dukspaw from fighting Toadtail: 0
If you ever come across this interaction, it's better to stop Duskpaw from fighting Toadtail. That doesn't affect the war progression at all, which is probably better than just setting it equal to 10 or 20.
Edit: Leonard released a new version that does fix this issue, so the interaction now does what it's intended to do. If you still have version 1.04e, you can download the new version from the main page.
Amberflame warned in mossy thicket: -45
When you go to sleep at the end of the day, war progression can also change depending on if Kestrelpaw is a hawk or not. This is calculated before the increase in aggression from not catching the spy.
If Kestrelpaw is a hawk and war progression is ≤50: +20
If Kestrelpaw is a hawk and war progression is ≥90: -20
Day 7:
Choosing WindClan border patrol and leaving <5 marks: +10
Sending Rogues into ShadowClan territory (the great area past the river): +30
Telling Magpieburr that Waspwing will not be at the ShadowClan border the next day: +10
Telling Magpieburr that Waspwing will be at the ShadowClan border the next day: -5
Other factors:
Stealing herbs before day 4: +50
(Stealing after does also increase aggression, but I don't know if it's the same amount)
Crossing the ShadowClan border by the clearing: +40
Fighting with any ShadowClan border patrol: +40
That should be everything that impacts the war ending. You can always let me know if there's anything I missed or forgot about. If you add up the values of each thing that you did, then you should be able to find out which war ending you'll get. I wanted to make this guide to be more certain on that, so I hope it helps other people.
(x is the war progression variable. I'm just using it to show the ranges)
- Peace ending: x<10
- Rebel patrol attacks: 10≤x<60
- Normal War: 60≤x<120
- All out war: 120≤x<160
- Worst ending: x≥160
On day 4, the war progression should start at 0 if you haven't already crossed the border, or stolen herbs. I will try to list each action in order of when you would normally do it, along with exactly how much it increases or decreases the war progression. I also separated the things that increase aggression from the things that decrease aggression for each day.
Day 4:
Not dealing with Mousepaw at all: +10
Confirming that a ThunderClan cat killed Spidershade: +25
Saying that Ravenwing did not find Spidershade's body: +5
Saying that ThunderClan was attacked by a fox recently: +10
Told Mousepaw that a Clanmate wanted to apologize: +10
ShadowClan border marks <7: +20
(Thrushfeather will scold you, and clan rep decreases by -2)
ShadowClan border marks are ≥7, but <15: +10
Border marks ≥15: 0
(Thrushfeather still scolds you, but clan rep increases by 2)
Telling Thrushfeather about Pebbleskip showing up at the border: +30
(Going to the hawks meeting and converting Kestrelpaw does affect things, but I don't know the specific numbers. I will add those in later when I find out. Leonard's guide also includes those)
Confirming that Ravenwing found Spidershade's body: -5
Denying that ThunderClan was attacked by a fox recently: -5
Peace message passed, and neither Thrushfeather or Mousepaw know about the quest: -30
(Mousepaw wasn't told that a clanmate wanted to apologize)
Peace message passed, but either Thrushfeather or Mousepaw know about the quest: -10
Day 5:
Nutkit is in ShadowClan: -15
(sending her to ShadowClan when you find her, and doing the kitnapping quest decreases it by the same amount)
Both the player and Kestrelpaw attend the Dove meeting: -10
Nutkit is missing from ShadowClan when the day ends: +15
Day 6:
ShadowClan's aggression automatically increases by a lot at the start of the day, but that changes depending on what border patrol you are chosen for, which depends on your Dove/Hawk affiliation, which is positive when you are more hawk leaning.
Dove/Hawk variable is <2 (WindClan border): +45
Dove/Hawk variable is ≥2 (ShadowClan border): +50
If you are a hawk, and are on the ShadowClan border patrol {
Previously told Mousepaw that a Clanmate wanted to apologize: +20
(This also caused the battle at bushy hill to happen)
Losing the battle at bushy hill: +10
}
WindClan border marks are <5 (also applies to day 7): +10
Picking up the feather from ShadowClan border: +5
(if you only do it from the stepping stones, crossing the stepping stones is an extra +40)
Spy not found out, or kept a secret: +25
Blackheart not convinced to give herbs to ShadowClan: +10
Crossing ShadowClan border with Kestrelpaw: +25
Edit: (As of version 1.04e) The Toadtail interaction has a bug where instead of increasing the war progression by a certain amount, it sets the war progression to those values instead. This what the interaction is intended to do:
Helping Duskpaw fight Toadtail: +20
Letting Duskpaw fight Toadtail: +10
Stopping Dukspaw from fighting Toadtail: 0
If you ever come across this interaction, it's better to stop Duskpaw from fighting Toadtail. That doesn't affect the war progression at all, which is probably better than just setting it equal to 10 or 20.
Edit: Leonard released a new version that does fix this issue, so the interaction now does what it's intended to do. If you still have version 1.04e, you can download the new version from the main page.
Amberflame warned in mossy thicket: -45
When you go to sleep at the end of the day, war progression can also change depending on if Kestrelpaw is a hawk or not. This is calculated before the increase in aggression from not catching the spy.
If Kestrelpaw is a hawk and war progression is ≤50: +20
If Kestrelpaw is a hawk and war progression is ≥90: -20
Day 7:
Choosing WindClan border patrol and leaving <5 marks: +10
Sending Rogues into ShadowClan territory (the great area past the river): +30
Telling Magpieburr that Waspwing will not be at the ShadowClan border the next day: +10
Telling Magpieburr that Waspwing will be at the ShadowClan border the next day: -5
Other factors:
Stealing herbs before day 4: +50
(Stealing after does also increase aggression, but I don't know if it's the same amount)
Crossing the ShadowClan border by the clearing: +40
Fighting with any ShadowClan border patrol: +40
That should be everything that impacts the war ending. You can always let me know if there's anything I missed or forgot about. If you add up the values of each thing that you did, then you should be able to find out which war ending you'll get. I wanted to make this guide to be more certain on that, so I hope it helps other people.
